Dumont a closet separatist?

01.15.03

Charest calls Dumont a “closet separatist”.

Closet? Dumont signed the three-way agreement with Parizeau and Bouchard in 1995. He campaigned for the Yes side. He’s slammed the PLQ for being “too close” to their Federal counterparts. If that’s being a “closet” separatist, I don’t know what being an overt one entails. The defection of former Bloc MP Pierre Brian to the ADQ shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone.

That being said, Charest has a point. Far too many naive people are buying Dumont’s fence-sitting act. It’s time to call a spade a spade. He’s a separatist, and the PLQ remains the only federalist party in Quebec.

{ 10 comments… read them below or add one }

1 Steve Brandon 01.17.03 at 4:33 AM

Hey… I’m federalist and I voted ADQ in 1998 (one of the few Anglophones that did, I know). I’ll probably vote ADQ next time, too. As a right wing bastard, I like their right wing agenda. I remember that Dumont campaigned for the “Yes” side in 1995, but I think he’s fairly pragmatic about the whole sovergnity thing… he follows the opinion polls, and right now, support is down, down, down. If it goes up, and the ADQ becomes more blatantly pro-sovergnity, I’ll jump ship, what can I say? I might want to become a member of the party and try to influence the platform on language issues. (I’m totally for repealing any and all draconian language laws, as should everyone who values individual freedom.) But you needn’t worry about my vote… I’m in Vaudreuil, which is a fairly safe PLQ seat.

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2 Ikram Saeed 01.17.03 at 4:30 PM

Asking wether Dumont is a separatist is the wrong question. It’s like asking, is Dumont pro-life (he is very Catholic, isn’ he?) The question is irrelevant but he can’t/won’t do anything about it.

You should ask, is Dumont going to promote separatism? I think probably not. Like Steve said — so long as Sovereignty is an unpopular option, Dumont views are irrelevant.

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3 Stuart Rothman 01.17.03 at 4:45 PM

I also think that Dumon’ts separatist views are irrelevant. I honestly don’t care if he wants Quebec to leave Canada. I care about what he will do for the province. Quebec isn’t leaving Canada anytime soon and I think that Charest’s efforts to scare federalists aways from voting for ADQ will not work. Dumont has done a masterful job of moving beyond the sovereignty debate to much more important issues that effect the daily lives of Quebeckers.

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4 segacs 01.17.03 at 5:50 PM

Strategic voting, people, strategic voting. If the ADQ gets more separatists to vote for it, then the Liberals win. If they steal more votes from the federalist side, then the PQ wins. It’s that simple.

If too many federalists in swing ridings vote ADQ, then we’ll have another PQ government . . .and you cna bet your ass that they won’t hesitate to squander more tax dollars promoting sovereignty.

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5 Ikram Saeed 01.17.03 at 6:35 PM

Segacs
But if the ADQ gets mostly separatists to vote for it (and few federalists), and *wins*, then the party is dominated by separatists, and becomes, over time, a PQ clone.

Federalists (and especially Anglophones) joining the ADQ can affect the character of the ADQ.

(Either the Ottawa Citizen or the NatPost had a horribly patronizing article about that BQ MP joining the ADQ recently. They pushed this argument).

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6 James 01.17.03 at 6:55 PM

What I like about ADQ is that they’re *changing the question*. They’re taking The National Question off the table, and saying that the terms of the debate need to be different, and that the axis of conversation needs to shift.

I’ll be voting for that. I’ve been fed up for years with every single thing being phrased in terms of the National Question. The ADQ is standing up and calling for new conversations. More power to them.

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7 segacs 01.17.03 at 7:06 PM

However you try and spin it, elections are won with one thing: money. The PQ and the Liberals both have lots of money; the ADQ doesn’t have any. So despite popularity polls, they don’t have a prayer come election time.

The ADQ is surely going to be the Nader effect. The only question is, to which side?

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8 Steve Brandon 01.17.03 at 7:45 PM

I think my voting for the ADQ in a safe PLQ riding (Vaudreuil) *is* “strategic voting” as my vote won’t actually get whomever is the ADQ candidate for my riding into power but will affect the overall percentage of ADQ votes in Quebec and, hopefully, move the Quebec Liberals just a tiny, tiny bit to the right.

(Hmm… I said I voted ADQ in the Quebec elections in 1998… who did I vote for in 1994, the first provincial elections after I turned 18 in 1992? Either the Equality Party, if they were still around back then, or maybe the Marijauna party.)

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9 Ikram Saeed 01.17.03 at 8:29 PM

Segacs,
I don’t know if “Nader effect” is an appropriate term in a Canadian Parliamentary context. The PLQ / PQ combination is nowhere near as enduring as the Dem/Rep in the USA. Quebec has only had the current party system of 25 years. Before that, there was the Union National, the Libs, the PQ, and in some cases, Creditiste Social. It’s possible that, if the ADQ does well, either the Libs or the PQ will disappear in Quebec

I think the ADQ, if they play their cards right, has a great chance of winning votes in rural ridings where people are sick of the PQ but would never vote for liberals. What Montrealers needs to do is elect a few ADQer federalists, to make sure that when the inevitable fed/prov conflicts arise, there are a few Federalist voices in the ADQ gvt caucus.

In a three way race, crazy outcomes can result (look at the NDP in Ontario in 1990). One very possible crazy outcome is an ADQ government.

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10 segacs 01.17.03 at 9:41 PM

It’s technically possible. But despite what Dumont says, the nationalism question is still very much a “live” issue for most Quebec voters.

And by the way, the PQ has only been around since the 70s, true. But there has always been a split in Quebec. The movement became political and national as opposed to along ethnic and racial lines . . . but harking back to the Duplessis era isn’t exactly a good thing.

The point is, I don’t think the ADQ is going to make the PQ disappear anytime soon. And if it makes the Liberals disappear, we’ll be left with two sovereigntist parties in Quebec, which is definately not an ideal situation.

I have my beefs with the Liberals. I’m not a big fan of a lot of their policies . . . but their focus on healthcare and education is the right way to go, IMHO. And when it really comes down to it, the ADQ doesn’t stand a chance and so I’d much rather vote Liberal than PQ.

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