Terrorist attack in Moscow

07.05.03

And in yet another suicide attack, 16 people are dead after a suicide bombing at a Moscow rock concert:

Two women suicide bombers killed 16 other people when they blew themselves apart at an open-air rock festival staged at a Moscow airfield on Saturday, Russia’s interior minister said.

Boris Gryzlov blamed Chechens opposed to President Vladimir Putin’s plan, announced a day earlier, to hold a Kremlin-run local presidential election in Chechnya in October.

The minister told reporters at the scene that 20 people were injured.

If it was carried out by Chechens, the suicide attack would be a new instance of a tactic used by the region’s Muslim militants, including several women, only relatively recently in their decade-old campaign to break from Moscow’s control.

Israel has long been warning the world that if the terror tactics being used against it are allowed to be successful there, they will be exported around the globe. The warning went unheeded. And now suicide bombings are virtually everywhere, and people are starting to notice but it’s too late.

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1 Me 07.05.03 at 5:54 PM

Israel has also long shown the world that when you impose an illegal military occupation on a people in a zealous attempt to steal their land, resources, livelihoods, and lives, and compound that with the removal or thwarting of all valid legal avenues to redress such injustice, extremist militarism is the predictable response.

Congratulations segacs, you told us so.

As you continue to swivel that feeble head of yours to survey your own anus left and right, however, people around the world are starting to see the picture more clearly every day.

End the occupation.

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2 segacs 07.05.03 at 6:43 PM

Did you go on vacation? I was almost starting to miss your rants.

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3 Wadi 07.06.03 at 7:59 AM

“people around the world are starting to see the picture more clearly every day.”

Yes, you couldn’t be more right ME.

People are starting to understand that Palestinian hate education coupled with the most severe religious, cultural, and racial intolerance currently pervading in Palestinian society is causing middle class Palestinian university students to slaughter Israeli children on buses, since their not Muslim enough.

But, oh by all means, continue to incoherently ramble about illegal occupations and anuses, and oh of course oil, cause no wacko islamist freakazoids rant can be considered complete if oil isn’t mentioned at least once. So ya, the world is starting to understand, 15 people dead today at a Russian concert, 7 Iraqi police dead while being sworn in, attacks in Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Tunis, Israel, the United States, Yemen, etc. Yes, people are starting to understand, indeed.

Terrorism is never justified!
End terrorism!

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4 Me 07.06.03 at 2:00 PM

Of course, not everybody wants to see things clearly.

Some would prefer to obscure illegal occupations, martial law and the stealing of resources from their worldviews.

And so terrorism becomes an effect without a cause.

Must be snug with two heads up there.

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5 Wadi 07.06.03 at 10:57 PM

Ah, we have an apologist in the house. What’s that? Is that Me I hear whining and seething about the Palestinians God given right to slaughter Jews. The cause is being incited to murder from as early an age as 2. That is the cause. The cause is not the self defense practiced by the victims of terrorism.

Ever hear of the razor blade peace campaign, btw?

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6 Me 07.07.03 at 12:17 PM

Are you kidding? This whole blog is apologia. As are your comments, which work hard to erase Israeli occupation from the issue.

Poof: terrorism from nowhere.

To facts that you refuse to see, add inventions that you want to hear, all just so your tortuous ideology isn’t shaken by disproportionate amounts of truth.

Poor you, living in a world where nasty Arabs want nothing more than to kill Jews.

Why? Don’t know. They’re just like that, I guess.

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7 Nanook 07.07.03 at 3:16 PM

On the contrary: poor Me, whose racist views are so twisted and bent on dehumanizing Muslims and Arabs that s-he seems to truly, honestly believe that, faced with despair — and unlike other religions and peoples living in occupied zones — their “natural” reaction is to go, kill themselves, and take as many lives with them as they can.

Or, I don’t know, maybe Me believes this to be a teaching of Islam as opposed to a genetic disposition of Arabs, given her-his enthusiasm for the killings of a splinter group of Chechen terrorists.

Whatever. There will be peace, and there will be an end to the Israeli occupation of Palestine, despite the loony and racist ravings of Me-types who rush to defend their “noble savages” who shouldn’t be held responsible for their own actions cause, gosh, they’re not fully human like friend Me here.

And then they have the gall to pretend their love and concern for the Middle East, a region about which they are completely clueless. Sad, really.

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8 Me 07.07.03 at 11:36 PM

Interesting, Nanook. Perhaps you can enlighten me on the following also:

Is there no connection between Israeli expansionism and the suicide-bombings?

What then motivates the suicide-bombings?

Should the Israeli government also be held responsible for its actions?

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9 David H 07.08.03 at 4:22 AM

“Is there no connection between Israeli expansionism and the suicide-bombings?”

Ok then, lets hear it. What happened in Pakistan?

Also, my family lost their land in Syria… some arab “expanded” into it. Is it time for me to strap on the bombs?

Of course not, I’m civilized enough to realize that killing civilians is a horrible wrong, no matter how much I dislike their government. While I recognize that a great injustice was done to my family, we have gotten over it and we are moving on.

Oh.. and before you ask, we don’t want to move back to Syria. We’re waiting for our compensation check from the Syrian government.

If the American government wants to pay me off though, I’ll accept money from them too, I’m not picky 😉

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10 Me 07.08.03 at 9:03 PM

And the answers to my questions are…?

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11 Advanced Calculus 07.08.03 at 11:57 PM

A pox on both your houses. The Israelis for going crazy expanding settlements and allowing the Orthodox to get away with all kinds of sh*t including not serving in the IDF.

The Palestinians for making hatred the be-all and end-all of their existence … and implementing that hatred in suicide bombings.

Ultimately, someone more powerful will come in and knock both your heads against the wall and you will both rue that day.

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12 Advanced Calculus 07.09.03 at 2:28 AM

Re the above, I remember that in ancient times the Assyrians did a job on Israel after Judah and Israel couldn’t stop fighting each other. In medieval times, the Arabs did the same to the Eastern Roman and the Parthian Empires. So both the Palestinians and the Israelis should watch it; it could happen again.

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13 Nanook 07.11.03 at 5:34 AM

Oh, hey again. Me, sorry if I’m not always around; busy week. On this questions thing, you seem really intent on this, but come now. Is there no connection between Israeli expansionism and the suicide-bombings? What then motivates the suicide-bombings? Should the Israeli government also be held responsible for its actions?

These are the burning questions whose answers you can’t figure out? Somehow I have a hard time believing you. If you have a something to say, just say it; blog as chess isn’t really my thing.

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14 Me 07.12.03 at 2:21 PM

No surprise, Nanook.

I stated my views, you attacked them, now I’m asking how you might see things.

No surprise that you’ll refuse to answer my questions. Any answer you give will tend to make my point
and/or discredit yours.

You’re still playing blog chess.

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15 Nanook 07.16.03 at 12:28 AM

Wow. Okay, I’d decided I wasn’t going to feed the troll, but … why not.

I stated my views, you attacked them, now I’m asking how you might see things.

Do you mean, what is my view of how hundreds of Palestinians came to be suicide bombers? And preferably in the form of a slogan, or at least something that will fit in a blog comments section?

‘Cause — and this will no doubt be a surprise to you, given your apparent belief in the contrary — there are all sorts of people who spend lots of time studying the matter who still can’t say for sure. Even in the form of a dissertation. The slogan version will no doubt come right afterwards.

Of course, some things are known. Palestinians are human beings with emootions and feelings and families. Just like you, Me. So we know that, no, suicide bombing is not their Pavlovian trigger response to poverty and/or to the Israeli military occupation, any more than it is in various other situations in the world, now and in the past. Similarly, the conditions of military occupation are quite dissimilar to those where suicide bombing is used as weapon elsewhere, including Sri Lanka, Tchetchenya, and so on. “Neither necessary nor sufficient”, in other words.

No surprise that you’ll refuse to answer my questions. Any answer you give will tend to make my point
and/or discredit yours.

Let’s review, yes? You provided us with a bizarre and, to my mind, racist and dehumanising explanation for suicide bombings: that, well, that’s what Palestinians dowhen, you know, there’s a prolonged military occupation. I had the temerity to disagree, and said why.

You chose to react, not to say I was wrong and you were right — in which case, it’d be interesting to know why. Nor, for that matter, to say that I was right and you were wrong. Nor to say that I’d misunderstood what you said in the first place.

No, instead you decided to play lawyer and ask pointed questions (and irrelevant ones: do you really think that what is at issue is whether or not the Israeli military occupation is a separate and disconnected phenomenon from Palestinian terrorism? If so, you might try rereading). To which you added that, anyway, noone should dare disagree with such silliness unless they were, well, omniscient. But then, amusingly …

You’re still playing blog chess.

… you see everyone’s comments as a mirror of yours. To reiterate the previous question, since you seem taken with questions: are you doing anything other than repeating yourself here — shouting over and over again that Palestinian terrorism is the natural reaction of Palestinians to the Israeli military occupation? Or do you have something to actually say — and, if so, what?

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16 Me 07.17.03 at 1:11 PM

As predicted, you couldn’t answer the questions. Here’s why: you’re attempting to excise the context of Israeli occupation from the analysis of Palestinian suicide bombing. I brought the two together and you call that racist.

Ok, let’s leapfrog your poisonous paraphrases and analyze my original comment:

“Israel has also long shown the world that when you impose an illegal military occupation on a people in a zealous attempt to steal their land, resources, livelihoods, and lives, and compound that with the removal or thwarting of all valid legal avenues to redress such injustice, extremist militarism is the predictable response.”

Firstly, note the use of ‘you’ and ‘a people’ above, indicating that that such a result is predictable under such circumstances regardless of who ‘you’ or ‘a people’ may be…could be you and me, reacting in just such a way under those circumstances. Nowhere have I said that only Palestinians were prone to such reactions.

Secondly, if drawing such a conclusion is racist, can you offer some alternative predictable responses to the situation described above, other than extremist militarism or capitulation?

Finally, my point, since you’ve read what I’ve written and deduced everything but the obvious, is that one cannot discuss the phenomenon of Palestinian suicide bombing without contextualizing it within the ongoing Israeli attempt to crush all legal forms of Palestinian resistance to its (frankly, illegal) expansionist military policies, particularly since resistance to occupation is the stated purpose of the suicide bombings.

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17 Nanook 07.21.03 at 8:30 AM

(Kind of funny, as an aside, to read about “your poisonous” this, that, etc. Although, as far as name-calling goes, it’s relatively mild, I suppose. Pot, kettle, as you like to say.)

Your message seems to be changing. Before, your point was that Israeli military occupation of the Palestinian lands formerly occupied by Egypt and Jordan leads to a mechanical response of suicide bombing among Palestinians. Now your point is simply that suicide bombings need to be put into the context of a military occupation. On which, duh. The suicide bombing tactics employed in Sri Lanka and Tchetchenya have contexts, too, though — it should go without saying, but somehow I know it won’t — those contexts are radically different.

Your mantra is that I fail to draw the “obvious” conclusion. We’re still left in the dark as to what your “obvious” conclusion is, or what question it is that I’m “unable” to answer. That, when one tries to understand where suicide bombing comes from, one has to understand the context? Of course. That military occupation naturally leads to suicide bombing? Of course not.

But, as you’ve restated a whole bunch of times now, you don’t feel one should be allowed to disagree without demonstrating how the world is really put together. Or, in this case, alternative predictable responses to the situation described above, other than extremist militarism or capitulation. You mean, in a hundred words or less, which tactics the various Palestinian national movements should have employed in order to be most successful, presumably only after whatever point in time it is that the conditions you outline above obtained? Um, a bit out of scope, even if you defined parameters for the Pulitzer candidate you apparently feel you deserve of your interlocutors.

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